Musing on music

topic posted Sun, February 11, 2007 - 6:07 PM by  The Amazing,...
Just spent a bit of time thinking on future projects and figured I could get some feedback here.

I fell in with some bad company recently--a guitarist! The Digital Air Conditioned Hippy (Kyrka) was searching for some hand percussion to accompany him and I volunteered. To make a longish story short, it's a good collaboration and I'm looking to do lots in the future with him.

That leads me to this: I'm going to be writing tunes for guitar and ME percussion. Some of it may use maqam, a lot of it will use western scales and harmony (though it may exhibit Arabic influence). If we work up a set of material, would anybody be interested in choreographing and dancing to it? I can see live shows with us and dancers, and I'd like to know if that's a reasonable vision....

Also, we've discussed using looping equipment when performing to expand our sonic presence. I know y'all dance to recorded tunes and live tunes (when you can). Looping performances have a bit of a different vibe, due to laying in the different loops live, and there will be more visible electronic equipment involved. Would that put you off of dancing in a live performance? Is the illusion of acoustic music at all important? (Seeing as how I don't know what most of you dance to, you could be all dancing to electronica and I wouldn't know!)
  • Re: Musing on music

    Mon, February 12, 2007 - 6:21 AM
    How is this Middle Eastern music and condusive to Middle Eastern/Belly dancing. I guess would be my question. I'd have to hear it first. Right now, it doesn't sound like anything that would allow a belly dancer to execute Middle Eastern steps and movements to. The dancing would really be interpretive dance by a dancer who knows Belly Dance.
    • Re: Musing on music

      Wed, February 14, 2007 - 3:25 PM
      That's where the maqam meets the guitar! There are maqam that will work with western tuning without too much trouble, and I'm going to experiment with western harmony under some Arabic melody. The percussion underlying it will, of course, be ME (looping def/dohola base rhythms and play darbuka live over it). It's not going to be rock guitar with darbuka backbeat....
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    Mon, February 12, 2007 - 12:35 PM
    I'm feeling precisely what these two lovelies have expressed thus far (being said guitarist being referenced, to disclaim)... there will be a very discernible line between what I do presently (and you and I have collabed on thus far) and where I would require _myself_ to go if I were performing for belly dancers. (I.E. if I want to view myself as a gunslinger guitarist, I've gotta play what the gig requires, etc.) Present goodies for our set in Columbia are pure folk, with merely an accompaniment rhythm and all that - I can't see this as dance music in any sense of the word in it's present form, more something in the background while folks sip wine and/or coffee.

    Having said all of this, however, I've certainly got the bug. The dilemma has been a weak attempt at evoking a middle eastern "sound" or "texture" with the guitar (aided by a handful of effects that in all honesty just don't get it much closer to the sound of a Sitar or gottuvadyam in the first place). It's the classic "cart before the horse" problem. (Of course, this thing would be kinda neat, but I digress.... www.musiciansfriend.com/produc...-Guitar )

    What I think would be absolutely essential if Larry and I are sincerely up on performing something for Belly Dancers, is more education on my part, and most likely a foray into the world of an absolutely new instrument. I'd need to start with the basics in terms of the drum beats and meter, as they're different than the basic blues/pop/folk/rock background I have... in short, I'd need to purchase a real sitar if I really want to do it right, and learn how to play it well.

    I, for one, don't let things like this discourage me, however. I find what little I know about Indian influenced music utterly fascinating, beginning with the obvious influences on the George Harrison and the Beatles, Kula Shaker, and more specifically Ragas performed by the likes of Ray Spiegel.

    So um... can anyone recommend some music (specifics I can go obtain, albums, etc.) I could begin listening to, or even study for that matter, as we consider the coming spring thaw? I just found out this morning I have a new joby-job, and start in the morning. I expect I'll be attempting my transition into my desired middle-eastern influence and looking at such an investment... I also get the impression that belly dance music isn't exclusively Indian - I'm presuming there are Arabic, Iranian/Iraqi influences as well as a host of others...

    Ick - hope I haven't totally hijacked the thread here, I got long winded as I scroll back and proof read.
    • Re: Musing on music

      Mon, February 12, 2007 - 1:54 PM
      LOL! Yep. Steep learning curve ahead. The instrument you'd be looking for is an oud. Belly dancers borrow from Indian dance, but what we do is based on the folkloric dances of the Middle East, Near East and North Africa.

      Where to start with the recommendations?

      You know, it's a commercial site, but Dahlal does have a nice roundup of the music and songs belly dancers really should be familiar with: www.Dahlal.com

      Also, if you subscribe to Rhapsody, they have a surprisingly large amount of Middle Eastern music listed.

      And Maqam music (www.Maqam.com) has lots of music as well as instructional materials on how to play (drumming and the maqams).
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      Mon, February 12, 2007 - 2:09 PM
      Well, I recommend you attend belly dance seminar shows to see how the local dancers dance. I teach a mean drum class in conjunction with zills (finger cymbals) because the dancer will be playing her zills EXACTLY how the drummer should be drumming, or they should be able to play off of each other--compliment and contrast. That's where true cueing the drummer comes in when performing to live music. First class period is Sunday, February 18th at 2:30 p.m. at the Ecumenical Christian Ministries Bldg. in Lawrence (1204 Oread).

      Middle Eastern music is very, very different from India music, so no comparison should be drawn there. A sitar won't work. The musical instrument you want to replace a guitar with for Middle Eastern music is an Oud. Some of the better good ol' stuff is on a Kanoon. However, I'm all for a musicians learning drum first to get the Middle Eastern dynamics/cadence down. That's my primary concern about the drummers coming out now. You play it western/European style and it's no longer Middle Eastern, it's fusion--unless you're going for fusion.

      Bordes stocks a great collection of belly dance Music. Look in their World Music section. Hossan Ramzy seems to be the current favorite. However, if you can find an oldie by Raja or Setrak GET IT! Those are your masters.

      Also, look for anything by George Abdo and Eddie the "The Sheik" Kojak.

      For more contemporary CDs, "Belly Dance Superstars." Issam is their drummer and he's GREAT! Fingers of fire! :O)

      I guess in the long run, I suggest if you want to create music for dancers, make friends with dancers.

      • Re: Musing on music

        Mon, February 19, 2007 - 9:15 AM
        "I guess in the long run, I suggest if you want to create music for dancers, make friends with dancers."

        That's probably the best advice you can give any non-middle eastern musician w/r/t creating music for belly dancers!

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